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Abdelrahman Abdou, modified 3 Years ago.
Secondary flow
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I have a question about simulating spiral flow.My case is 2DH simulation of a straight channel and I want to activate the spiral flow in my model. I activated the secondary flow in the process window but when I generate *.mor file to change Espir (calibration factor of spiral flow) it is not there, however, I checked another model used and I opened the *.mor file and the Espir is addressed there. Is it a problem of the different versions or should I do something to my model?
here is a link to the photo of different *.mor files : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LC4bYZcRzdrlpGpILnmlFn2tob9hKfJt/view?usp=sharing
what about the initial value of secondary flow in the initial condition, I put it (v=0m/s), is it ok?What is the appropriate value for Espir?
here is a link to the photo of different *.mor files : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LC4bYZcRzdrlpGpILnmlFn2tob9hKfJt/view?usp=sharing
what about the initial value of secondary flow in the initial condition, I put it (v=0m/s), is it ok?What is the appropriate value for Espir?
Victor Chavarrias, modified 3 Years ago.
RE: Secondary flow
Famous Fortune teller Posts: 98 Join Date: 4/24/20 Recent Posts
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Hi Abdelrahman,
When you 'activate secondary flow' (i.e., in the mdf-file or mdu-file), you are accounting for secondary flow in the solving the flow equations and you are solving the advection-diffusion equation for the secondary flow intensity. If also accounting for morphodynamic development, the flag 'Espir' in the mor-file is of interest, as it wheights the effect of the secondary flow intensity in changing the direction of the near-bed flow velocity, which is used in computing the direction of the bed-load sediment transport.
The GUI generates the basic files for running a simulation. Nevertheless, there is much more input than written by the GUI. In all files in Delft3D, there is no specific order in the input and if something is not specified is left to the default value. The flag 'Espir' in the mor-file does not appear automatically when you active secondary flow. Hence, you are using the default value which is 0. This means that, by default, the near-bed velocity has the same direction as the depth-averaged flow velocity. A value of 'Espir' equal to 1 causes the near-bed flow velocity to be deflected by the theoretical value of the secondary flow intensity. As the input is double, a value equal to 0.5 reduces the theoretical value by 50%. When you run a simulation, chek in the dia-file (from diagnosis) that the values that you input are read by Delft3D.
You are modelling a straight channel and I assume that the initial condition is something like normal flow or no flow. In this case, the curvature of the streamlines is 0 and the initial secondary flow intensity is also 0. Hence, it is reasonable to use as initial condition 0 secondary flow intensity. I do not know the details of your simulation but it is relevant to consider the following. If your simulation is a straigth channel, secondary flow can only arise if a pattern of bars appears in your model causing curvature of the streamlines. This will occur in a sufficiently wide channel. Consider also that, as secondary flow is considered a constituent (such as salinity and temperature) the diffusion coefficient employed in computing the advection-diffusion equation is the diffusivity and not the viscosity.
Hi Abdelrahman,
When you 'activate secondary flow' (i.e., in the mdf-file or mdu-file), you are accounting for secondary flow in the solving the flow equations and you are solving the advection-diffusion equation for the secondary flow intensity. If also accounting for morphodynamic development, the flag 'Espir' in the mor-file is of interest, as it wheights the effect of the secondary flow intensity in changing the direction of the near-bed flow velocity, which is used in computing the direction of the bed-load sediment transport.
The GUI generates the basic files for running a simulation. Nevertheless, there is much more input than written by the GUI. In all files in Delft3D, there is no specific order in the input and if something is not specified is left to the default value. The flag 'Espir' in the mor-file does not appear automatically when you active secondary flow. Hence, you are using the default value which is 0. This means that, by default, the near-bed velocity has the same direction as the depth-averaged flow velocity. A value of 'Espir' equal to 1 causes the near-bed flow velocity to be deflected by the theoretical value of the secondary flow intensity. As the input is double, a value equal to 0.5 reduces the theoretical value by 50%. When you run a simulation, chek in the dia-file (from diagnosis) that the values that you input are read by Delft3D.
You are modelling a straight channel and I assume that the initial condition is something like normal flow or no flow. In this case, the curvature of the streamlines is 0 and the initial secondary flow intensity is also 0. Hence, it is reasonable to use as initial condition 0 secondary flow intensity. I do not know the details of your simulation but it is relevant to consider the following. If your simulation is a straigth channel, secondary flow can only arise if a pattern of bars appears in your model causing curvature of the streamlines. This will occur in a sufficiently wide channel. Consider also that, as secondary flow is considered a constituent (such as salinity and temperature) the diffusion coefficient employed in computing the advection-diffusion equation is the diffusivity and not the viscosity.
Victor Chavarrias, modified 3 Years ago.
RE: Secondary flow
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Abdelrahman Abdou,
Hi Victor,
Thanks for your explanation it helps a lot.In my case, I have a wide straight channel and I expect multiple bar formation as (m>3).I checked the dia.file and I found Espir =0. so I think I need to change the value of Espir to 1 instead of the default value(=0).how can I change it while it is not flagged in the *mor file?
Hi Victor,
Thanks for your explanation it helps a lot.In my case, I have a wide straight channel and I expect multiple bar formation as (m>3).I checked the dia.file and I found Espir =0. so I think I need to change the value of Espir to 1 instead of the default value(=0).how can I change it while it is not flagged in the *mor file?
Victor Chavarrias, modified 3 Years ago.
RE: Secondary flow
Famous Fortune teller Posts: 98 Join Date: 4/24/20 Recent Posts
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simply add it to the mor-file under the block [Morphology]. E.g.:
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simply add it to the mor-file under the block [Morphology]. E.g.:
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Victor Chavarrias, modified 3 Years ago.
RE: Secondary flow
Famous Fortune teller Posts: 98 Join Date: 4/24/20 Recent Posts
Abdelrahman Abdou, modified 9 Minutes ago.
It works well.Thank you for your help
It works well.Thank you for your help